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By: Alex S. Leung

Alex S. Leung — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:04:48 +0000

I heartily agree with what’s already been commented: there needs to be much more transparency in the translation process — we are certainly in the technologically-advanced 21st century!

My ESV Beef:
Personally, I would like to see all instances of “doulos” in the NT translated in the ESV as “slave” (like in the HCSB). I recall somebody on the ESV Translation team said they wrestled with this issue but settled in using “servant” often instead because of the modern stigma around slavery. Cf. MacArthur; TDNT. Doing a concordance/word study around “servant” in the ESV is just pointless for me, since I need to take note of all the instances of “servant” with footnote Or slave; Greek bondservant vs. “servant” without the footnote.

By: Hannah

Hannah — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:22:35 +0000

the NET Bible was my first thought as well. Surely they [all translation teams] have reams and reams of translation notes available, and it’d be great to see even a greatly condensed version for our own edification. Not to mention, this would probably foster a good deal more leniency and graciousness in the conversation as a whole – more transparency typically means less suspicion and name-calling, which would be great all around.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:22:46 +0000

Jeff
If so, that would be really good. I really really do like Dr. Mounce. I just think some of what he says could be reflected back on the other side, but I don’t see any apologies coming anytime soon for slanderous language used. I do hope some of those things get told, but I feel like they should have been told a long time ago.

Wayne
Thanks for stopping by! I’m a big fan of yours and BBB. You all have helped my understanding of translating as much as my discussions with Rick. In fact, I think he pointed me to BB blog a while back.

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Bill Mounce responds to Mark Strauss on ESV « Better Bibles Blog — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:53:43 +0000

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By: Wayne Leman

Wayne Leman — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:40:35 +0000

Bryan, thank you for this post. I've been posting Mark Strauss' paper at the Better Bibles Blog. It's good to discuss how each English Bible version can be improved.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:15:32 +0000

Mounce writes briefly about some of his experiences with the ESV committee in Greek For The Rest Of Us in which he talks about why translations are different. Like the publisher sitting in on the committee talking about how much money they just spent debating on a passage and how he often got overruled for the sake of tradition etc. They also didn’t take much time to complete the translation. I wonder if these are just some of the things he’s intimating.
Jeff

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:16:23 +0000

Mike and Brent
Thank you for the comments! I would interact more, but I am about to leave and drive all day to go home for Thanksgiving.

Mike, as I was writing this, I too was thinking of the NET. Certainly translations could put a “NET” like version up on their site, or release a version of the translation… not ever edition has to have everything annoted or anything, but something that is accessible.