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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bryan,

Interesting thoughts, in your first post in this series you mentioned Mark 1:15, well I have been exploring this also in a post entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://yhwhmlk.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/the-exodus-and-yahwehs-enthronement/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Exodus and Yahweh’s Enthronement&quot;&lt;/a&gt; 

You may have read it but N. T. Wright&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Jesus and the Victory of God&lt;/i&gt; would be right up your street (no pun intended!). Also check out his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctinquiry.org/publications/wright.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul&#039;s Gospel and Caesar&#039;s Empire&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;On the one hand, the gospel Paul preached was the fulfilment of the message of Isaiah 40 and 52, the message of comfort for Israel and of hope for the whole world, because YHWH, the god of Israel, was returning to Zion to judge and redeem. On the other hand, in the context into which Paul was speaking, &quot;gospel&quot; would mean the celebration of the accession, or birth, of a king or emperor.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bryan,</p>
<p>Interesting thoughts, in your first post in this series you mentioned <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=51&amp;passage=Mark+1%3A15" class="bibleref" title="NLT Mark 1:15" target="_new">Mark 1:15</a>, well I have been exploring this also in a post entitled <a href="http://yhwhmlk.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/the-exodus-and-yahwehs-enthronement/">&#8220;The Exodus and Yahweh’s Enthronement&#8221;</a> </p>
<p>You may have read it but N. T. Wright&#8217;s <i>Jesus and the Victory of God</i> would be right up your street (no pun intended!). Also check out his <a href="http://www.ctinquiry.org/publications/wright.htm">Paul&#8217;s Gospel and Caesar&#8217;s Empire</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the one hand, the gospel Paul preached was the fulfilment of the message of <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=51&amp;passage=Isaiah+40" class="bibleref" title="NLT Isaiah 40" target="_new">Isaiah 40</a> and 52, the message of comfort for Israel and of hope for the whole world, because YHWH, the god of Israel, was returning to Zion to judge and redeem. On the other hand, in the context into which Paul was speaking, &#8220;gospel&#8221; would mean the celebration of the accession, or birth, of a king or emperor.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Kingdom of Heaven and Politics &#124; Scripture Zealot</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Kingdom of Heaven and Politics &#124; Scripture Zealot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Surprised by the Kingdom of God II - What’s politics got to do with it? (Got to do with it?) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I allowed this previous comment as an example of how not to argue a point. For example:

Notice that the author of the post goes directly to an ad-hominem &quot;who could revere...&quot; Not only is it an ad-hom attack, but it is loaded with purely emotional rhetoric &quot;stone-age,&quot;&quot;dangerous,&quot; and &quot;fairy tales&quot; yet the author gives no arguments why this is so. 

Where did the number 95% come from? The author doesn&#039;t tell us, but I assume it was made up. Also, the Bible actually doesn&#039;t &quot;snub&quot;the muslim population for being &quot;genitally intact,&quot; that&#039;s the point Paul makes in Colossians 3- which apparently was the part that Ron here skipped over in the post. If Muslim is &quot;snubbed,&quot; it has nothing to do with genitals, Ron, it has to do with the exclusionary idea of faith in Jesus.

Also, because the author has nothing to add, he continues on in a red herring- those awful parents who circumcise! That&#039;s so awful... remind me, Ron, what this has to do with the Kingdom of God?

Also, good for the national medical associations. Not the point of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I allowed this previous comment as an example of how not to argue a point. For example:</p>
<p>Notice that the author of the post goes directly to an ad-hominem &#8220;who could revere&#8230;&#8221; Not only is it an ad-hom attack, but it is loaded with purely emotional rhetoric &#8220;stone-age,&#8221;"dangerous,&#8221; and &#8220;fairy tales&#8221; yet the author gives no arguments why this is so. </p>
<p>Where did the number 95% come from? The author doesn&#8217;t tell us, but I assume it was made up. Also, the Bible actually doesn&#8217;t &#8220;snub&#8221;the muslim population for being &#8220;genitally intact,&#8221; that&#8217;s the point Paul makes in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=51&amp;passage=Colossians+3" class="bibleref" title="NLT Colossians 3" target="_new">Colossians 3</a>- which apparently was the part that Ron here skipped over in the post. If Muslim is &#8220;snubbed,&#8221; it has nothing to do with genitals, Ron, it has to do with the exclusionary idea of faith in Jesus.</p>
<p>Also, because the author has nothing to add, he continues on in a red herring- those awful parents who circumcise! That&#8217;s so awful&#8230; remind me, Ron, what this has to do with the Kingdom of God?</p>
<p>Also, good for the national medical associations. Not the point of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>circumcised barbarian?

Who on earth could revere a stone-age book of dangerous fairy tales that would make such a snub against the 95% of the world&#039;s non-Muslims who are genitally intact.  

It took nature hundreds of thousands of years to evolve a perfect prepuce for evey mammal on earth, before there was surgery or even soap.  It takes an ignorant parent a few seconds to thoughtlessly agree to let a profiteer amputate over half the sensual nerve endings.  

No national medical association on earth recommends routine circumcision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>circumcised barbarian?</p>
<p>Who on earth could revere a stone-age book of dangerous fairy tales that would make such a snub against the 95% of the world&#8217;s non-Muslims who are genitally intact.  </p>
<p>It took nature hundreds of thousands of years to evolve a perfect prepuce for evey mammal on earth, before there was surgery or even soap.  It takes an ignorant parent a few seconds to thoughtlessly agree to let a profiteer amputate over half the sensual nerve endings.  </p>
<p>No national medical association on earth recommends routine circumcision.</p>
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